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Album: '[S] Collide.'
Directory Suffix: collide
Date: April 6, 2016
Date Added: November 15, 2019
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/s-collide
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcwqP0pMxGE
- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnVpmehyaOFaNcNe2AtQUyDcLSJrzSQbe
Cover Artists:
- Homestuck
Default Track Cover Artists:
- Homestuck
Cover Art File Extension: png
Track Art File Extension: png
Color: '#cc3322'
Groups:
- group:official
Wallpaper Artists:
- Rah-Bop
Additional Files:
- Title: Full album piano score by EuniverseCat
  Files:
  - '[S] Collide. - EuniverseCat (piano score).pdf'
- Title: Full album MIDI by Unknown
  Files:
  - '[S] Collide. - Unknown.mid'
Commentary: |-
    <i>Andrew Hussie:</i> ([MSPA news post](https://web.archive.org/web/20160416013207/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/))

    Thanks to the [extensive group of artists](https://web.archive.org/web/20160413231515/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/artcredits.html) who contributed to the end of act animation. Clearly it was a significant undertaking, and it wouldn't have been possible without so many great artists enthusiastically collaborating on it for months. Also thanks to [[artist:seth-peelle|Seth]], [[artist:toby-fox|Toby]], [[artist:malcolm-brown|Malcolm]] and [[artist:tensei|Joren]] for the awesome music. It's currently available on bandcamp.

    The panels posted between now and 4/13 were made by WP artists [[artist:adrienne-garcia|Adrienne]], [[artist:angela-sham|Angela]], [[artist:gina-chacon|Gina]], and [[artist:rah-bop|Rah]]. They're really good!!! We're almost there. [[album:act-7|Act 7 drops on 4/13.]]
---
Track: Creata (Canon Edit)
Artists:
- Seth Peelle
Art Tags:
- Skaia
- Prospit
- LoHaC
- LoPaN
Duration: 1:56
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/creata-canon-edit
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XGeVEiihM
Referenced Tracks:
- Creata
Sheet Music Files:
- Title: Sheet music by EuniverseCat
  Files:
  - 'Creata (Canon Edit) - EuniverseCat.pdf'
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by Unknown
  Files:
  - 'Creata (Canon Edit) - Unknown.mid'
---
Track: Oppa Toby Style
Artists:
- Toby Fox
Art Tags:
- The Condesce
- John
- Roxy
- John's nanna
- Jasprose
- Derse
Contributors:
- James Roach (editing, cheers)
Duration: 5:39
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/oppa-toby-style
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjAK8D5ytiU
Referenced Tracks:
- Rex English
- Cascade (Beta)
- Penumbra Phantasm
- Crystalanthemums
- Crustacean
- Liquid Negrocity
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by TirantBacon
  Files:
  - 'Oppa Toby Style - TirantBacon.mid'
Commentary: |-
    <i>James Roach:</i> ([Twitter](https://web.archive.org/web/20191125043922/https://twitter.com/hamesatron/status/1198822641122983938), 11/24/2019)

    i love cheers in songs (i edited the cheers into tobys song for [s] collide, and have written them into a few things) so the sword/shield gym theme really does it for me

    <i>James Roach:</i> (dead Twitter tweets, around 11/24/2019)

    I JUST VERY SELFISHLY ADDED [THESE CHEERS](https://youtu.be/bjAK8D5ytiU?t=82) TO AN ALREADY GOOD SONG LMAO

    toby had written a really cool song but i wanted to give andrew some hits that were less on the downbeat for the animation so while i was editing the tracks down for length and extending bits here and there i ended up adding them in because i wanted the section to feel hype
Referencing Sources:
- Artists: [Quasar Nebula]
  Annotation: wiki editor
  Date: May 8, 2026
  Body: |-
    There are three points of interest in Oppa Toby Style for identifying [[Penumbra Phantasm]]; each point must be identified either as Penumbra, [[Doctor]], or neither (material that's not clearly derivative one way versus the other).

    In this entry we're gathering notes from various times all this was brought up in the HSMusic Discord server, as well as [a video by Putnam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlqAXocXEi8) listing references throughout the entire [[flash:8087]] flash. This video is from the day after the flash released. Discussion in the server is much more recent (you're reading a summary from today, [#references-roundup](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/1353743089164095548/1502263039007916103)).

    The three points are timestamped:<br>
    1:54–2:05 in Oppa Toby Style; 2:36–2:47 in Putnam's video<br>
    4:41–4:52 in Oppa Toby Style; 5:22–5:33 in Putnam's video<br>
    4:47–4:52 in Oppa Toby Style; 5:28–5:33 in Putnam's video<br>
    Note the third part is completely contained within the second part, and is played almost only on the left channel.

    Putnam's video lists the first and second parts as Penumbra Phantasm. It doesn't call out the third part.

    In March 2025 Grace wrote: ([#music-discussion](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/749067042250031214/1353307342678134825))

    > <i>[[artist:grace-medley]]:</i><br>
    > Also B.T.W. there’s Penumbra Phantasm in [[Ham and Steak]] at 7:43 (it’s the piano) and in Oppa Toby Style at 4:48 (in the left ear)

    In May 2025 Interrobang wrote: ([#references-roundup](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/1353743089164095548/1377274255745749114))

    > <i>[[artist:interrobang]]:</i><br>
    > I think what’s listed as a doctor reference in oppa Toby style is actually PP

    In February 2026 Kenón included this in a list of certain corrections: ([#references-roundup](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/1353743089164095548/1467758064617787444))

    > <i>Kenón:</i><br>
    > In Oppa Toby Style, change the reference from Doctor to Penumbra Phantasm

    Back in March 2025, we asked for elaboration on Grace's comment. ruby wrote: ([#references-roundup](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/1353743089164095548/1353793262925779027))

    > <i>[[artist:ruby]]:</i><br>
    > in OTS, between [[Crustacean]] and [[track:liquid-negrocity|Liqued Negrocity]]<br>
    > for HaS, I'm not sure if I agree it being pp in the first place tbh<br>
    > feels more like English really fast or something

    Kenón added:

    > <i>Kenón:</i><br>
    > I'm so glad someone mentioned Penumbra in OTS because I thought I hallucinated it and was too scared to bring it up-<br>
    > You don't wanna be the "Penumbra is in everything" gal but sometimes It Is In Fact In The Things

    And Witch's Cadence:

    > <i>[[artist:witchs-cadence]]:</i><br>
    > I mean it's a decently common enough motif throughout homestuck<br>
    > So it's not crazy to think it might be in a homestuck track<br>
    > It's when people think they hear it outside of homestuck that you really gotta double check

    Now in May 2026, we reviewed everything above and looked for clarification, emphasizing that we wanted to assess the track as a whole: ([#references-roundup](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/1353743089164095548/1502266339002421308))

    > <i>[[artist:quasar-nebula|Lan]]:</i><br>
    > "Between Crustacean and Liquid Negrocity" = the 4:48 timestamp that Grace points out. However, Kenón was commenting specifically to change Doctor to Penumbra Phantasm (in OTS ref list), which would include the listed usage that I'm pretty sure is at 1:53.
    >
    > yeah, I hear listed Cascade (Beta) at 1:30, I hear listed Doctor at 1:54
    >
    > "I hear" there => seems generally conclusive that this should be replaced w/ PP, appearing first 1:54 and also later 4:48. But that's pulling everyone's comments together, no one has so far said that all at once.

    ruby's initial take was that both parts are Penumbra Phantasm. She didn't identify the left part, i.e. left channel, as anything in particular.

    > <i>ruby:</i><br>
    > Toby loves referencing his PP version of the riff instead of the original doctor<br>
    > both timestamps use the PP version of the riff<br>
    > left ear plays some arpeggio

    We started gathering audio. ruby brought this comparison back around, from prior discussion on [[track:hopes-and-dreams]]:

    <audio inline src="media/misc/oppa-toby-style/doctor.wav"></audio><br>
    <audio inline src="media/misc/oppa-toby-style/penumbra.wav"></audio>

    We forwarded Erase's comparison from the day before:

    <audio inline src="media/misc/oppa-toby-style/Pattern 2 (consolidated).wav">

    Both play Doctor, then Penumbra Phantasm. Collectively we emphasized the final two notes (clear in Erase's audio) - descending in Doctor, ascending in Penumbra Phantasm. ruby revised her takeaway:

    > <i>ruby:</i><br>
    > I think it's Doctor in the latter part<br>
    > last two notes have descending movement<br>

    Replying to her own message "Toby loves referencing his PP version of the riff"...

    > <i>ruby:</i><br>
    > I think i may have prejudice for any toby doctor/pps<br>
    > hence I mostly assumed it to be pp

    We heard it as Doctor, too.

    > <i>Lan:</i><br>
    > Okay okay, yeah<br>
    > That's what I'm hearing (ofc) and why I'm reading it as Doctor<br>
    > I also agree that the first usage (2:27 in Putnam vid, 1:54 in OTS) is Penumbra, not Doctor

    ruby still didn't hear the third segment as anything in particular.

    > <i>ruby:</i><br>
    > the left ear part is just an arpeggio though, which i can't easily link to any particular motif (though it may be based on something of course)

    A little later ruby prepared piano rolls for relevant segments:

    - [[media:misc/oppa-toby-style/ots1.png|first part of Oppa Toby Style]]
    - [[media:misc/oppa-toby-style/pp.png|Penumbra Phantasm for reference]]
    - [[media:misc/oppa-toby-style/pp-up3.png|Penumbra Phantasm upped 3 semitones to match key]]
    - [[media:misc/oppa-toby-style/ots2.png|second part of Oppa Toby Style]]

    And audio for the last piano roll above, in the key of Penumbra Phantasm:

    <audio inline src="media/misc/oppa-toby-style/OTS_2.wav"></audio>

    Now ruby concluded where she started:

    > I would say that, too, is closer to PP than Doctor<br>
    > same harmony and everything

    Lilith, who was meanwhile looking into Penumbra Phantasm in [[Ham And Steak]], agreed:

    > <i>[[artist:lilithtreasure]]:</i><br>
    > oh, 100%

    And ruby left a note that [[media:misc/oppa-toby-style/ots-end.png|the final few notes]] are their own thing, unique to Oppa Toby Style:

    > the very last bit is like<br>
    > OTS original, not alluding to either PP or Doc<br>
    > following the bassline

    We chose to mark the earlier and later references as Penumbra Phantasm, ultimately agreeing with ruby's analysis today, Lilith's agreement today, Putnam's time-of notes, and Interrobang and Kenón's remarks in May 2025 and February 2026.

    > <i>Lan:</i><br>
    > OK, I'll consider it to be Penumbra, despite the descending two-notes utterly on their own being more Doctor than PP. Everything else still aligns more like PP.
    >
    > But! "Everything else" is new territory.<br>
    > Where we were starting today, the differentiation was only in the two descending notes, or the broader movement (Doctor moves while PP just repeats)

    We didn't land anywhere conclusive on the left-channel segment that Grace pointed out in particular. (While preparing piano rolls, by ear ruby still didn't connect it with anything, and she did not transcribe it.)
---
Track: Eternity, Served Cold (Canon Edit)
Artists:
- Malcolm Brown
Art Tags:
- Lord English
- Aradia
- Kanaya
- Eridan
- Equius
- Rufioh
- Mituna
- Kankri
- Latula
- Horuss
- Cronus
- LoSaZ
- Dream Bubbles
Duration: 3:34
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/eternity-served-cold-canon-edit
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow8PeoCrfcg
Referenced Tracks:
- Eternity Served Cold
- Typheus
---
Track: Heir of Grief
Suffix Directory: true
Always Reference By Directory: true
Artists:
- Tensei
Contributors:
- James Roach (editing)
Art Tags:
- Dave
- Dirk
- Terezi
- Jack Noir
- LoTaK
Duration: 6:12
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/heir-of-grief
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es5mh7pBeec
Referenced Tracks:
- Heir of Grief
- Typheus
Sheet Music Files:
- Title: Guitar tabs by EuniverseCat
  Files:
  - 'Heir of Grief - EuniverseCat (tabs).pdf'
- Title: Piano score by Do The Musicy Thing
  Files:
  - 'Heir of Grief - Do The Musicy Thing (piano score).pdf'
- Title: Piano score by EuniverseCat
  Files:
  - 'Heir of Grief - EuniverseCat (tabs).pdf'
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by Unknown
  Files:
  - 'Heir of Grief - Unknown A.mid'
- Title: MIDI by Unknown
  Files:
  - 'Heir of Grief - Unknown B.mid'
Commentary: |-
    <i>James Roach:</i> ([Twitter](https://twitter.com/hamesatron/status/1198830097693691904), 11/24/2019)

    the rest of the edits i did for collide were like... timing things. theres a part at the end where we needed one more bar of hits during heir of grief because one extra thing happens (the part where the condesce gets stabbed is the previous 4 bars copied and edited in)

    you might notice this if you're music savvy to the point where you're like wait why is there a 12 bar phrase in an otherwise 16 bar pattern. its because that part wasnt long enough for the animation and andrew suggested asking to re-record it and i was like thatll take too long