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Album: Cherubim
Date: March 14, 2013
Date Added: November 15, 2019
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/homestuck-vol-7-8-with-cherubim
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9R4mX8LZo
- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5wuj4bznbEntObWXb7BFZBl3Jq1Ep1Kb
Cover Artists:
- Kait Linney (lines)
- Shelby Cragg (coloring & logo)
Cover Art Dimensions: 2000x1971
Color: '#e57600'
Groups:
- group:official
Art Tags:
- Calliope
- Caliborn
- Serenity
Banner Artists:
- Shelby Cragg
Banner Dimensions: 1100x203
Banner File Extension: png
Additional Files:
- Title: Album credits
  Description: >-
    Included with the album download.
  Files:
  - TrackCredits.txt
- Title: Bandcamp banner
  Files:
  - banner.jpg
Commentary: |-
    <i>Homestuck:</i> ([Bandcamp about blurb](https://web.archive.org/web/20130316024224/https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/cherubim))

    *u_u ~ tumut*

    <i>Andrew Hussie:</i> ([MSPA news post](https://web.archive.org/web/20130317181408/http://www.mspaintadventures.com/))

    New album!

    It is called Cherubim. Worth noting: this album contains the song used in [[flash:5261|Caliborn: Enter]]. It's the last track, called [[Eternity Served Cold]], by [[artist:malcolm-brown|Malcolm Brown]].

    <i>Homestuck:</i> ([Bandcamp credits blurb](https://web.archive.org/web/20130316024224/https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/cherubim))

    Contains material by:

    [[artist:alex-rosetti|Alexander Rosetti]]<br>
    [[artist:clark-powell|Clark "Plazmataz" Powell]]<br>
    [[artist:robert-j-lake]]<br>
    [[artist:malcolm-brown]]<br>
    [[artist:james-dever]]<br>
    [[artist:kalibration|Robert Blaker]]<br>
    [[artist:thomas-ferkol|Thomas "EidolonOrpheus" Ferkol]]<br>
    [[artist:toby-fox|Radiation]]<br>
    [[artist:erik-scheele|Erik "Jit" Scheele]]<br>
    [[artist:michael-guy-bowman]]

    Album assembled and finalized by [[artist:toby-fox|"Toby" "Fox"]]

    Cover lineart by [[artist:kait-linney]]<br>
    Coloring and logo by [[artist:shelby-cragg]]

    Click on the tracks to see track art and individual track credits.

    Homestuck and all associated characters (C) [[artist:andrew-hussie]]
---
Track: Reverie
Artists:
- Alex Rosetti
Duration: '4:17'
Color: '#00e500'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/reverie-2
- https://youtu.be/WkpYnDz-Y1w
Cover Artists:
- Sylladexter
Cover Art File Extension: png
Art Tags:
- Calliope
- Prospit
- Skaia
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by Unknown (with Power Fantasy)
  Files:
  - 'Reverie, Power Fantasy - Unknown.mid'
Commentary: |-
    <i>Alex Rosetti:</i>
    i made this song its abou tcallpope shes the girl troll on the web cartonn 'homsockers' an she lives on the moon with her brother cazzbiborn baggin of rivendale were they play chess she isnt as good as it as cazbio l and he beats her this song is about when she was before he bit her le g fof
    he is such a good goadlie and im tryhing to anticipate where hes going next i'm perfectly fine where i am im like where where wheere s your move tell me why im wrong
---
Track: Power Fantasy
Artists:
- Clark Powell
Duration: '4:22'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/power-fantasy-2
- https://youtu.be/5adGTghTECM
Color: '#e50000'
Cover Artists:
- Indolentjellyfish
Art Tags:
- Caliborn
- Derse
Referenced Tracks:
- Reverie
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by Unknown (with Reverie)
  Files:
  - 'Reverie, Power Fantasy - Unknown.mid'
---
Track: Stellarum Salve
Artists:
- Robert J! Lake
Duration: '3:23'
Color: '#00e500'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/stellarum-salve-2
- https://youtu.be/J2Vc2JIWPaY
Cover Artists:
- Mobble
Art Tags:
- Calliope
- Jane
- Roxy
- Dirk
- Jake
Referenced Tracks:
- Hello Stardust
---
Track: Carne Vale
Artists:
- Malcolm Brown
Duration: '4:23'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/carne-vale-2
- https://youtu.be/AdPU0emEeUg
Color: '#e50000'
Cover Artists:
- Leslie Hung
Art Tags:
- Caliborn
- Jane
- Roxy
- Dirk
- Jake
- 'cw: blood (abstract)'
- 'cw: body horror (abstract)'
Referenced Tracks:
- Stellarum Salve
- English
- Eternity Served Cold
Sheet Music Files:
- Title: Piano score by Do The Musicy Thing
  Files:
  - 'Carne Vale - Do The Musicy Thing (piano score).pdf'
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by Unknown
  Files:
  - 'Carne Vale - Unknown.mid'
Commentary: |-
    <i>Malcolm Brown:</i> ([Tumblr](https://dragonxvi.tumblr.com/post/45686990686/carne-vale-a-commentary), 03/18/2013)

    <u>Carne Vale</u>

    <b>The Concept</b>

    So with Cherubim, we tried something a little different to reflect the duality of the character/s in question.  The album would be split into an even number of tracks grouped in pairs, and then finish off with Eternity Served Cold, to represent Caliborn's dominance and unchaining.  The pairs would represent a similar track done in two distinct styles for Calliope and Caliborn - Calliopes tracks would be considerably mellow, light, friendly, while Caliborn's versions would be chaotic and angry.

    Carne Vale mirrors RJ's "Stellarum Salve" though only vaguely - I probably could've done a better job, but hopefully there's enough recognizable lapses into SS that I treat as Calliope's personality sorta coming back into the fray.  The noticable sections are 0:00 and 1:58. Outside of that, anything pretty much went - The original ideas thrown about were a kind of crazy, OTT DnB. I ended up combining that with quite a bit of angry metal guitar, and a few spoonfuls of English (And Eternity, just for a bit of foreshadowing).

    Originally I was looking into the Saw theme for inspiration, since there's quite a lot of decent connections to be had there (Not least because of Caliborn's escape sequence and the whole Lil' Cal thing) - in the end I didn't really use much of this, which is a shame because it'd probably work quite well...

    <b>The Name</b>

    The name for this guy actually has more backstory than most.  The working title was "Caliburninate". Afterwards I thought "uNCHAINED" might make a nice name, since the progression of the song made it seem an almost alternative version of Caliborn's freedom/leg-sawing. adventure.  Trouble was, Eternity Served Cold already provided the background to that, and it'd make more sense to rename EsC to "uNCHAINED" than this one (as pointed out by Toby).  So that idea was dropped and still no name.

    (Also, while I considered renaming EsC to 'uNCHAINED', I figured that guy'd been renamed enough and people were already referring to it via the 'Eternity' name, so I figured just leave it).

    Finally I looked to the whole ICP/Juggalo angle.  Latched on to the name "Carnival", but that on its own was a bit flat, so went looking into the etymology of the word.  Dug up "Carne Vale" (lit. 'Farewell Meat') and that was that.

    It bizarrely managed to be a sort of weird mirror of "Stellarum Salve", and be almost appropriate to the whole leg-slicing shenanighens.

    <b>The Track</b>

    Now, there was quite a lot of DmC being played while I was making this, so a lot of of inspiration came from both the new Devil May Cry and the original ones.

    We start off with a minor-ised version of a sequence from Stellarum Salve, before bursting into the rising power-chord section.  This is you're typical "transformation" section where Caliborn's personality is beginning to take over.  Of note for this song is the usage of Shreddage, which I've been fiddling about with after Toby posted about it a while back.  My setup for using it isn't brilliant, but the Amp sim it comes with is decent enough and the recorded strings and general setup (i.e. easy support for double tracking and the like) are probably better than anything I could do with a real guitar.

    At 0:45 we bring in a direct reference to Eternity/English.  (The melody is English, the music box in the background is referencing the beginning of Eternity). Can't quiet remember what I was doing for the synthy-bass in the background, but I do remember it was fairly distorted.  The laughing here I'll talk about a bit later...

    1:10, and Shreddage is paying for itself with a meaty bit of rhythm guitar.  Probably could've done a bit more variation around these sections, but it was doing a good enough job.

    1:57 gives us the second Stellarum Salve reference, sort've mashed two bits together.  Here we have a brief reprieve from the chaos as Calliope's personality resurfaces.  Then however, we get to the noisiest bit of the whole song.

    2:27 and we get ready to go into full rave mode. Once the beat gets going, I decided to try a more complex riff for shreddage, a mix of power chords and lead. The synth bass also gets a bit more to do, adding a bit of panning and the then pitching it up to play a crazy arpeggiation.  This bit was basically just "do something crazy". Originally I had some laughter here too, but took it out since it was being drowned out by everything else.

    3:02 and we return to a bit of sanity.  The guitar solo here is again provided by shreddage and sequenced - It's actually fairly simplistic, but adding a few articulations helps fool it into sounding a bit more believable.

    3:26 and we bring our old friend Fruity Slicer back into the fray.  He's simply slicing the beat that was used throughout the song previously, while the rest of the song calms back down to another reference to English.  Once that's done, we bookend the whole thing with another reference to Stellarum Salve - Caliborn's off back to sleep and we're returning to Calliope again.

    Now, a few other interesting things about this track (That a few people have already spotted) - firstly, it actually uses quite a few samples that come with FL Studio.  Namely the percussion and the laughter.  The percussion was pretty much the only example I had for the kind of drumline I was after, so it was fine.

    The laughter was an interesting example - It's from one of those collections of samples of voice that are usually terrible and added to 90s dance tracks (Shouting something random if its a male voice, like "CHECK THIS BASS!!" or "YEAH!" and moaning something incoherent if it's female like "Oooahhhawoooahhayeah!".  Pitched up it sounded creepy enough when layered.  It's a bit cliched, but it works.

    And that's Carne Vale.  An angry little shout from a little green, malevolent angel-baby. Grr. Argh.
---
Track: Green Lolly
Artists:
- Robert J! Lake
Duration: '4:11'
Color: '#00e500'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/green-lolly-2
- https://youtu.be/oWC2oXU_hP4
Cover Artists:
- Brianne
Cover Art File Extension: png
Art Tags:
- Calliope
Referenced Tracks:
- The Uranian
---
Track: Red Sucker
Artists:
- Kalibration
Duration: '3:44'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/red-sucker-2
- https://youtu.be/lp7kDAHaWIc
Color: '#e50000'
Cover Artists:
- Dana Smart
Cover Art File Extension: png
Art Tags:
- Caliborn
Referenced Tracks:
- Green Lolly
- The Undying
---
Track: Constant Confinement
Artists:
- Erik Scheele
Duration: '3:54'
Color: '#00e500'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/constant-confinement-2
- https://youtu.be/1pp7UpsuTa4
Cover Artists:
- Michelle Czajkowski
Cover Art File Extension: png
Art Tags:
- Calliope
Sheet Music Files:
- Title: Sheet music by lugiaa
  Files:
  - 'Constant Confinement - lugiaa.pdf'
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by lugiaa
  Files:
  - 'Constant Confinement - lugiaa.mid'
---
Track: Constant Conquest
Artists:
- Michael Guy Bowman
Duration: '4:46'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/constant-conquest-2
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKPUXLOEcqY
Color: '#e50000'
Cover Artists:
- Elly Beck
Art Tags:
- Caliborn
- Lil Cal
Referenced Tracks:
- Constant Confinement
- Doctor
Commentary: |-
    <i>Michael Guy Bowman:</i> (composer, via [early commentary collection](https://hsmusic.wiki/media/misc/commentary-collection.txt))

    I floated the idea for a UU + uu album last year in about June as a concept record divided in half with equal and analogous parts Calliope and Caliborn. While we really wanted to jump in and get to making more Homestuck music following [[album:homestuck-vol-9|Volume 9]], we decided to wait and discover more of the two characters until December when [[artist:toby-fox|Radiation]] re-organized the effort. He proposed the Jekyll / Hyde alternating pace of the album culminating in "Eternity Served Cold" and had the group split into pairs, each musician working with a partner on a track with the same themes and motifs.

    I worked with Erik, who sent me the at-the-time unfinished Calliope composition [[track:constant-confinement|"Constant Confinement"]] for me to base my Caliborn track around. Erik's track was so meditative, it was actually difficult to recognize the slow-paced woodwind melody over the course of the piece, which pulses onward without any strict meter. This melody had to be expanded upon a lot to match the pace of "Constant Conquest" - it actually flies by at breakneck pace in the first measure of the piece before settling into its groove.

    Conquest in many ways resembles [[track:ruins-rising|"Ruins Rising"]], another electronic track based around one of Erik's piano compositions. Like in my approach to "Ruins" I arranged the melody sparsely and created a very dense environment of drums and percussion sounds to convert Erik's pulse into a groove. Same input, same solution, although this time I went much, much heavier than ever before. I had a handful of different drum kits going all at once, each with unique effects chains, to create more of an ensemble sound than a clean dance beat.

    What really sealed in the atmosphere of this track was the huge slather of pads that adorned the track, most of which were created using analog equipment. I fed the signal from an old Radio Shack keyboard with basic midi patches through a pawn shop guitar pedal to create the many layers of sound that fill the background. Some of the most excellent sounds on the track (especially that snarling synth at 2:57) were created by hammering the mod knobs and wah-wah pedal while playing atonal pitches. The result is distorted synth excellence.

    <i>Michael Guy Bowman:</i> (composer, [Michael Guy Bowman Talks About His Homestuck Music](https://youtu.be/85VXWZTg-vo?t=1965), adapted to text, 7/20/2024)

    And then in the later years of the comic... 2013 was my final actual production that was a contribution to it. I did Constant Conquest, another piece of work with Erik. I took the Caliborn side of it and Erik took the Calliope side of it. Erik wrote the Calliope theme first, Constant Confinement, and I took the theme from that and decided to just go... real crazy industrial with it.

    You know, it's so hard when so many villains have already been introduced! You know, you've got Jack Noir, and Lord English, and all these other characters that are already in the mix - and they're already all dangerous, and now you're four years in, and you have a new villain, and you have to like, heighten that much further than the previous ones. You know, a bit of a Dragon Ball Z style problem.

    This was the only piece I actually used Logic Pro to write. I had switched over to Logic Pro at the time. I used a whole new palette of sounds, and played with all kinds of new effects chains, I found it way easier to edit the piece... I had pedals that I had used for my live performances. That was fresh off the year where I had made my live debut (laughs) - I had gone to South by Southwest and I'd had a little band involve Marcy Nabors, Erik Scheele, Clark Powell, and Riki Tsuji, and we had done a backyard show, and a show at the Velveeta Room, where we performed stuff from Mobius Trip, other Homestuck music that we could figure out how to get arranged, and stuff from my second solo album, Ithaca. So I had all this leftover equipment from that crazy adventure, and played with, you know, running the keyboards and guitars and stuff through wahs and distortions and just created this great little crunchy mess.

    I even brought in Buzinkai's [[Doctor]] for two seconds because, you know, at this point, Doctor was in so many remixes and references and revisitations, that it was fine for me to take it for the first - and only! - time, and do it in this, ah, totally out of tune, random vignette. Just to say, there, there's my Doctor remix. Y'a happy?
---
Track: The Lyrist
Artists:
- Thomas Ferkol
Duration: '3:35'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/the-lyrist-2
- https://youtu.be/Tybj0RZoGks
Color: '#00e500'
Cover Artists:
- rumminov
Cover Art File Extension: png
Art Tags:
- Calliope
Sheet Music Files:
- Title: Piano scores by Thomas Ferkol (original composer)
  Files:
  - 'The Lyrist - Thomas Ferkol (A minor).pdf'
  - 'The Lyrist - Thomas Ferkol (Ab minor).pdf'
---
Track: The Lordling
Artists:
- Toby Fox
Duration: '2:51'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/the-lordling-2
- https://youtu.be/nLrChSME0T8
Color: '#e50000'
Cover Artists:
- rumminov
Cover Art File Extension: png
Art Tags:
- Caliborn
Referenced Tracks:
- The Lyrist
- Flowey's Laugh
---
Track: Eternity Served Cold
Additional Names:
- Eternity's Shylock (earlier MSPA credit, see also [[track:eternity-served-cold#artist-commentary|commentary]])
Artists:
- Malcolm Brown
Duration: '8:20'
URLs:
- https://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/eternity-served-cold-2
- https://youtu.be/wg9jows9Yfo
Color: '#e50000'
Cover Artists:
- rennerei
Art Tags:
- Caliborn
- 'cw: blood'
Referenced Tracks:
- Sburban Jungle
- English
- Revelawesome
- Black Rose / Green Sun
- Endless Climb
- track:ruins
- Penumbra Phantasm
- Doctor
Sheet Music Files:
- Title: Piano score by EuniverseCat
  Files:
  - 'Eternity Served Cold - EuniverseCat (piano score).pdf'
MIDI Project Files:
- Title: MIDI by LeQha
  Files:
  - 'Eternity Served Cold - LeQha.mid'
- Title: MIDI by Unknown
  Files:
  - 'Eternity Served Cold - Unknown.mid'
Commentary: |-
    <i>Andrew Hussie:</i> ([MSPA news post](https://web.archive.org/web/20120818182915/http://www.mspaintadventures.com:80/), excerpt)

    <b>END OF PAUSE 2</b>

    With EOP2 comes [[flash:5261|EOA6A3]].

    Another piece by [[artist:malcolm-brown|M. Brown]]. I told you we had entered [[track:unite-synchronization|the Brown Zone]], but you didn't listen. It's not in an album yet, and won't be for a little while. Not until some time after Solo Album Month, which according to my calendar is happening [[album:symphony-impossible-to-play|REALLY SOON]].

    <i>Malcolm Brown:</i>

    First off, a thanks to the folk who enjoyed EsC.

    Secondly, the above question's been asked by enough folk now that's worth commenting on. Specifically, a) Will I release the original and b) Why is it different.

    So let's get a) out of the way: Most likely - I won't release it right now though, as that'd diminish the album release. Somewhere down the line I'll release the original version with the original mixing, and possibly the cut ending part (Which was cut because it sounded silly :p).

    Now for b):

    Getting the first bit out of the way, I've a long way to go with learning mastering properly. What sounds ok on Headphones A might sound too bass heavy on Headphones B, absolutely lightweight on Speakers C and generally terrible on earphones Q. With a bit of effort, understand and the right equipment or software the process can be considerably better (I'm using various Dynamic Range monitors to check loudness, for example). I'm still fairly naff at it.

    Now, Eternity's one of the more complicated tracks I've done - It's got quite a few opposing voices: a synth orchestra, synth and heavy percussion, rhythm and lead guitar voices, pianos, wooden and metal toned percussion, timpanies, creepy sound effects, various choirs with various articulations and so on. Getting all these noises to sound halfway decent on top of each other might've been a bit beyond my current skill.

    When I passed the first version to Rad, he noted it was a bit quiet compared to other tracks. A few variations later (Some bass reduction because a lot of my tracks are a bit bass heavy, I blame my default headphones which have very little bass), then it was a bit anemic. Brought the bass back, tried to bring in some of the voices that were being drowned out (This is the biggest problem people have with the newer version - Some of the strings have been reduced in favour of other voices, notably in the Revelawesome section). Long story short, I didn't have a decent setup that lets me make any mastering decisions with much confidence.

    There's also a few notable mistakes in EsC in general - Firstly, there's simply too much strings. In some sections, there's a high string melody, with staccato strings, more strings below that, and a cello/double bass strings bit. And a solo violin on top of that. It's simply too much string section fighting over control of what's going on - This was the main reason for trying to bring the french horns and oboe back into the fold. Additionally, I'm not convinced I'm using panning to its best, resulting in a very squashed mix that's very central and doesn't sound "spacial", which a bit orchestral track really should.

    Mastering EsC highlights that there's large gaps in my skill for music production that I need to brush up on. This is good - It's always good to have targets for self improvement. I'll say right now that both versions are still considerably better than Rex Duodecim Angelus :p And essentially it's the same deal - A synth-orchestral romp through a Homestuck medley meant to sound mean and imposing and threatening, so I won't say I'm not improving :D.

    TL:DR: Yes the old version will be released at a later date. It sounds different because I'm wishy-washy at mastering. (I'm not actually sure if I'm using that term right, I'm basing it off Peanuts)

    Hope that answers ya'lls questions :)

    ([Tumblr](https://dragonxvi.tumblr.com/post/28573051810/eternitys-shylock-a-short-commentary), 8/2/2012)

    <img src="media/misc/04681.gif" width="300" warning="motion warning">

    I've been getting a lot of questions about this guy, so here goes:

    It's commentry time!!!

    <b>The track in general</b>

    If you've been paying attention to this blog, I already hinted at the development of ES.  It's kind of a "Sequel" to Rex Duodecim Angelus in that it's a gradual Medley of HS tracks arranged in some kind of sinister Boss Theme.

    The track itself is split into 3 "Acts".  Act I acts as a kind of intro and goes from 0:00 to around 2:30 (As the Revelawesome section begins).  Act 2 is the conflict, and ends just after " the party is defeated" and the music turns a bit more sinister around 4:40.  Act 3 is distinctly missing from the flash, but deals with the heroes comeback and eventual final conflict and resolution.  The Flash ends just hope is beginning to peek through.

    The obvious inspiration and basis for this track is <b>Toby Fox's "English"</b> and it's meant to be a track for LE 'imself.  As the act structure implied, it was designed for a battle with LE vs The Good Guys, but ultimately works as a "LE is doing something incredibly nasty and you guys better stay away!"

    <b>The track in more detail</b>

    I tried to be a bit more cinematic in my orchestral arrangement here.  It's far from perfect, but it's better than previous attempts.  Gotta keep pushin' yourself I guess.

    Stuff you should be able to hear:

    - [[Sburban Countdown]] (At the start and occasionally in other places)
    - [[English]] (Should be obvious)
    - [[Revelawesome]] (ARound 2:40)
    - [[Black Hole / Green Sun]] (Twisted a bit, but after the Revelawesome section. The music box makes it noticeable, and 'English' is playing on top of it)
    - [[Endless Climb]] (Subtly added at 3:37)
    - [[track:ruins|Ruins]] at 4:03
    - [[Penumbra Phantasm]] and hints of the finale of the SotDD section in [[Cascade]] at the end.
    Stuff you didn't hear because the track ends before it gets going:
    - [[Doctor]]
    - Quite a bit of guitar

    So why make another Medley fest? Quite a lot of the HS themes blend really nicely together, and we can associate a lot of events and memories with past flashes (Revelawesome was used as a kind of gag, but here's it more sinister).  I do like a good Medley, and judging from the reaction of Descend, RDA and the latest Solo Album, you guys do too!

    The track was made in FL Studio. It mostly uses SoundsOnline EWQL VST libraries, namely:

    - Symphonic Orchestra
    - Symphonic Choirs (Shouty choir girls)
    - Goliath (For some of the larger percussion and sound effects)
    - Ministry of Rock (Guitar, some percussion and bass guitar)

    And a few soundfonts.

    <b>When is it available?</b>

    Good question! I suspect you'll be waiting for Volume 10 to show up, which'll materialize after the solo albums and once we've got enough Cherubim goodness for you.

    <b>The Name</b>

    "Eternity's Shylock" is an odd one I'll grant you.  It's alternative working title is "Eternity Served Cold".

    "Eternity" should be obvious. He's a time travelling demon after all.  "Shylock" is a bit more confusing and that leads us on to...

    <b>A bit of controversy with the name</b>

    "Shylock", as many of you know, is a character from "The Merchant of Venice".  Specifically, a rather antagonistic Jewish Moneylender.  You can [read all about the antisemitism debate on the WIKI page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Merchant_of_Venice#Shylock_and_the_antisemitism_debate) but long story short, the character of Shylock has quite a bit of controversy surrounding the portrayal of the Jewish.

    Now, from the name "Shylock" it's also a slang term for "Loan Shark" - One who loans money yet charges extraordinary amounts of interest and threatens those who cannot pay the return.  It was used in 20th century gangster/Mafia slang, and that's where I pulled it from as a nice fit to Lord English.  Therefore "Eternity's Shylock" - One who gives time, only to take it back with interest.  It's a bit of a stretch, but in the end it sounded like a nice name - Mildly sinister, yet grand.

    Now, my use of the term "Shylock" in this context is that of a Loan-shark. There's been plenty of portrayals of this profession, particularly in crime dramas where one character gets in deep with one and they send round "The boys" to break some fingers etc.  The name "Shylock" in this manner refers to the profession and behavior rather than the character or his religious beliefs, but I can fully believe why some people would look at the name "Shylock" with disgust, given the controversy surrounding him.

    This was my bad in lack of research, and I apologize.  There was certainly no insult meant if it was received.

    However, it should be clear to anyone that Lord English, a time travelling threat to all existence, is not in any way implicated to be Jewish.  No more so than the implication that he's from England and has a seat in the House of Lords because of his name.  He's a green, skeletal Mafia pimp demon who flies through time in a crazy sarcophagus and vomits rainbow laz0rs.

    I may be [mis]understanding the original controversy surrounding the issue, but from what I read it implied that Shylock the character and Lord English were one and the same, and that Homestuck was presenting a parallel to tMoV.  The link is... Well I may not be the finest literary analyst in the world, but I don't buy it in the slightest.  And even if it was a genuinely well thought out analysis, I'd be delighted to be told exactly where in Homestuck it is implied that Lord English identifies himself as Jewish by his words or actions.  Or at which point Shylock vomits lasers all over the dream ghost of Antonio.

    See, it sounds absurd.  Fan-speculation is a large part of the Homestuck community, but sometimes it can get a bit icky when it dives into issues of race and creed.  You're thinking about it too much, it's a webcomic about some crazy stuff. Just chill.

    honk HONK.