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From: Lilithtreasure <62890895+Lilithtreasure@users.noreply.github.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2025 16:33:59 -0400
Subject: penumbra phantasm has doctor, referencing sources

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@@ -1325,6 +1325,110 @@ URLs:
 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdntMzdkFnk
 Referenced Tracks:
 - Doctor
+Referencing Sources:
+- Date: February 24, 2023
+  Artists: [Makin, Niklink]
+  Annotation: >-
+    [HSMusic Discord](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/779895315750715422/1078897493133246495), excerpt
+  Body: |-
+    <i>Makin:</i><br>
+    > ok question.
+    > does [[track:doctor|doctor]] reference penumbral phantasm, or is it the other way around?<br>
+    > the wiki doesnt say and i couldnt find the info anywhwere else online (albeit i only looked briefly). is that like. unknown? - Dyst<br>
+
+    neither<br>
+    the original pp was a melody that was quoted in [[Savior of the Waking World|savior of the waking world]], which combines doctor and penumbra phantasm successfully and inspired a lot of pp remixes with doctor in them<br>
+    and every version of PP that has leaked is post sotww I think<br>
+    I guess you can make a case that all existing versions of PP reference doctor<br>
+    definitely not the other way around
+
+    [...]
+
+    <i>Niklink:</i><br>
+    there's this one part of PP that sounds almost identical to the first few notes of doctor and they often get blurred together
+- Date: October 4, 2024
+  Artists: [Jebb]
+  Annotation: >-
+    [HSMusic Discord](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/749067042250031214/1291751049094365314), excerpt
+  Body: |-
+    <i>Jebb:</i><br>
+    Well, very little is known about penumbra phantasm<br>
+    It's referenced in like 1 toby track<br>
+    Its melody is heavily based on [[Doctor|Doctor's]]<br>
+    There's a piano sketch and [[track:null-vol8|a tiny teaser]] i think<br>
+    That's more or less it<br>
+- Date: May 20, 2025
+  Artists: [ruby]
+  Annotation: >-
+    [HSMusic Discord](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/779895315750715422/1374380935771984012), excerpt
+  Body: |-
+    <i>ruby:</i><br>
+    [...]<br>
+    but the part of pp itself is undeniably based on [[Doctor|doctor]]
+- Date: November 22, 2025
+  Artist Text: >-
+    [[artist:ruby]],
+    [[artist:wertercatt]],
+    [[artist:rainy]],
+    [[artist:makin]],
+    [[artist:lilithtreasure]],
+    [[artist:jebb]], and
+    [[artist:quasar-nebula|Lan]]
+  Annotation: >-
+    [HSMusic Discord](https://discord.com/channels/749042497610842152/779895315750715422/1419705641932423219), excerpt
+  Body: |-
+    <i>ruby:</i><br>
+    the riff in [[track:hopes-and-dreams|HaD]] is identical to pp, but it in pp is based on [[Doctor]]
+
+    [...]
+
+    <i>wertercatt:</i><br>
+    Should we stick a<br>
+    ```
+    Referenced Tracks:
+    - track:doctor
+    ```
+
+    onto Penumba by the way? Currently it's displayed as if it's a completely original track.<br>
+    <i>Rainy:</i><br>
+    Yeah actually why wasn't that the case before<br>
+    <i>ruby:</i><br>
+    [...]<br>
+    because we established it's referencing penumbra<br>
+    something from penumbra that is derived from doctor<br>
+    [...]<br>
+    onto penumbra? Yeah<br>
+    <i>wertercatt:</i><br>
+    This track is presented as if it doesn't reference anything.<br>
+    <i>ruby:</i><br>
+    surprising we don't<br>
+    the main riff, while technically unique, is 100% based on doctor's<br>
+
+    [...]
+
+    <i>Makin:</i><br>
+    I think it's just time to retire the "it's penumbra when doctor is one note off" and just admit it's a doctor variation that PP used
+
+    [...]
+    
+    <i>wertercatt:</i><br>
+    Penumbra still needs Doctor added to its references tho.
+
+    [...]
+
+    <i>Lilithtreasure:</i><br>
+    it's surprising that penumbra isn't listed as referencing doctor, but [[track:patient|patient]] is<br>
+    <i>Rainy:</i><br>
+    yeah that's odd<br>
+    <i>Jebb:</i><br>
+    Wait why does it not have doctor listed<br>
+    <i>Lan:</i><br>
+    It's an oversight!!
+
+    [...]
+
+    <i>Lan:</i><br>
+    Guys, I swear, it's an oversight. This one - I do believe - is not intentional.
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